SF Planning Commission · Public Comment

Residence Element Update

2000.465

211comments
211in person
0emails
10hearings
20032004in person2003-03-27 — 23 comments, 26% in favour (click to read)2003-05-01 — 17 comments, position not recorded (click to read)2003-06-05 — 46 comments, 33% in favour (click to read)2003-06-12 — 6 comments, position not recorded (click to read)2003-10-09 — 34 comments, 12% in favour (click to read)2004-04-01 — 2 comments, position not recorded (click to read)2004-04-08 — 4 comments, position not recorded (click to read)2004-05-13 — 79 comments, 60% in favour (click to read)email
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Hearings

27 Mar 2003 — approve with conditionsMar 200301 May 2003 — no action recorded05 Jun 2003 — no action12 Jun 2003 — no action recorded09 Oct 2003 — continuance12 Feb 2004 — continuance26 Feb 2004 — continuance01 Apr 2004 — continuance08 Apr 2004 — continuance13 May 2004 — approveMay 2004
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Comments by hearing (211)

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2003-03-27 · 23 comments · 6 / 17
Daryl Higashi · spoken · 2003-03-27 · support
Director of the Mayors Office of Housing - San Francisco is far behind in having a housing element accepted by the State of California. - There are funding programs that organizations will be able to apply for with this measure. - If there is no adopted plan approved by the Commission and or approved by the Board of Supervisors, San Francisco will not be able to apply for housing funds from the State. - This oppor… show more
Tom McDonough · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- Housing is a basic human need. - Only one third of the people living in San Francisco own their own housing. - San Francisco needs to make sure that the inhabitants of the City are home owners--this is a long time benefit to this City. - Part of the backbone of the City was excluded from home ownership. - housing is so expensive because it is highly controlled. That is why it (prices) continues to escalate.
Sue Hestor · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- This document is contradictory to the policy of the Planning Department since the Department approves a housing project just to have housing. - The income levels need to be looked at. - Demolition policy also needs to be looked at closely. - The most affordable housing is what should be analyzed. - Any housing does not equal housing.
Nahla Awad · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- She read a letter from a member of San Francisco Merchants Association who requested that this item be continued in order to receive more public comment.
Margaret Brodkin · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- She feels that the City is "hemorrhaging" families and the reason is housing. - She is glad that most of their ideas were incorporated in the plan. - The challenge now is how to make it happen.
Chris Durazo · spoken · 2003-03-27 · support
SOMCAN - She is glad that there will future public comment. - The environmental impact report should be parallel to this proposal.
Hiroshi Fukuda · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
Richmond Community Association - He is glad that the Director of Planning has mentioned that there will be future neighborhood input because this is a very important policy matter. - The citizens need to read this. Copies should have been provided at all public libraries and the Supervisors should have copies to provide to the residents of their districts. - A document that is this important needs a lot of public comment.
Eric Quesada · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
MAC - He does not know whether to just laugh, cry or through his hands up from frustration. - It is important to move this policy forward after receiving the proper input from neighborhoods. - It is getting very difficult for neighborhoods to believe that there is a process that rally matters. (+/-) John Bardis - Inner Sunset Action Committee - He is dismayed about the process of today. - This should not be a fi… show more
Pinky Kushner · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
SPEAK - The element is too vague. - There are various ideas that could be implemented in the element. - More time is needed for this element to be successful.
Judith Berkowitz · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
Coalition for San Francisco Neighborhoods - She feels that there has not been enough notice for people to give proper comment. - It is important to have comments from all neighborhoods. - She requested that the Commission continue this for at least 90 days. (+/-) Francisco Centurion - Russian Hill Neighbors - He requested that this be continued for at least 60-90 days in order to get sufficient input from his neighborhood.
Marilyn Amini · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- The newspaper wording stated that this hearing was for an intent to adopt and now it has been changed to an intent to initiate. - She lives in a transit corridor and many people are concerned about what is happening at transit corridors. - She is worried that this is not sufficient notice about something this important. - There is faulty data that the needs are based on.
Edward Evans · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
Community Resources Action Project - Many seniors and disabled people are in jeopardy of loosing affordable housing. - He is very supportive of making permanent subsidized housing for seniors and disabled people. - Housing should be provided on all levels. - In the tenderloin there has been a focus on low income and subsidized housing. Market rate housing should be brought there as well.
Mary Ann Miller · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- There is a major demand for housing in her district. - SPEAK is in the foot notes as a community group that was consulted on this, but that must have been about a year ago. They have not been contacted recently. - Her organization is willing to help because they are housing friendly.
Olson Lee · spoken · 2003-03-27 · support
Assistant Deputy Director of the Office of Housing at the Redevelopment Agency - The agency's housing plan is incorporated with the City's annual housing plan also. - There is a need for more affordable housing as well as a need to save and preserve affordable housing. - Housing is difficult but it is more cost effective to save affordable housing than to build fresh. - There is a need for a compliant ho… show more
Dan Kalb · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
SFT - His comments regarding the proposed document: 1) It is important that developers not get away with just having all the same unit sizes in a given large development; 2) there should be higher density on large transit corridors; 3) financing is the biggest challenge; 4) the increase in housing stock has to be approved and built in proportion and concurrent with improvements in infrastructure and transit services… show more
Joya Calagos · spoken · 2003-03-27 · support
SFOP - They believe that San Francisco should be a City for all. - City policy should promote families and communities. - Each person has the right to have his or her space, which means affordable housing. - If affordable housing is not supplied, children will not be able to afford (a place) to live and will eventually need to move out of the City.
Oscar Herrera · spoken · 2003-03-27 · support
SFOP - He feels that there is a lack of affordable housing. - This policy is very important. The decisions that the Commission makes will affect the children of this City and their future.
Tracy Parent · spoken · 2003-03-27 · support
- She is a real estate agent who works with immigrants. - She urges the Commission to expedite this policy. - Her one concern is that the implementation of the plan should be more explicit. - If the density bonus would be leveraged, the City would save millions of dollars and this would allow for focus on building affordable housing for the most in need--Seniors. (+/-) Michael Harris - San Francisco Rev. Com. - … show more
Steven Linder · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- The housing element encourages secondary units near transit and this increases crime. - Families with children are a protected class under California law and they have certain needs.
Joe O'Donaghue · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- The housing element does not address why the delivery system failed and why the housing crisis since 1986 keeps getting worse and worse. - The delivery system is a shambles. There is a disparity between housing costs, housing crisis, and construction. - There is a need to get some economists and do some econometrics.
Jill Kent · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
- There is much concern about the housing element. - There has not been good notification about this proposal. - There has been a petition in the West Portal neighborhood that requests that this housing element not be approved. It should be continued until there is sufficient public comment from the various neighborhoods. - It is important to explain the pros and the cons.
Bernie Choden · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
SFT - The draft element does not meet the requirements for this City, and it does not provide the tools needed. - There needs to be a melding of institutions and corporations . - There needs to be a strategy. - An expert needs to be hired before a date is set to provide proper input.
Calvin Welch · spoken · 2003-03-27 · oppose
CCHO - He recognizes the challenge of the housing element. - For housing, the project work force is what is important. - The needs assessment is correct in this report. (+/-) Danny Burkes - Westwood Park Association - This housing element that is now under consideration is very important to the future of families in San Francisco. - The association requests that the housing element be continued for at least 90 d… show more
2003-05-01 · 17 comments · no positions recorded
Maureen Bender · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Jill Kent · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Fred Snyder · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Joe O'Donaghue · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Tom McDonough · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Ramona Albright · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Joan Gerardo · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Philip Darsey · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Marylou Lescarry · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Bill Sonsini · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance] West of Twin Peaks Central Council
Ted Williams · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Judith Berkowitz · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Hiroshi Fukuda · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Mike DeCastro · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Steven Currier · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance] Outer Mission Neighborhood Association
Carlista Shay · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Marilyn Amini · spoken · 2003-05-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
2003-06-05 · 46 comments · 3 / 6
Meagan Sullivan · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
David Lopez · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Timothy Tittle · spoken · 2003-06-05 · oppose
[Re: Continuance] Mission Agenda
Porfiria Abago · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Kate White · spoken · 2003-06-05 · support
[Re: Continuance] Housing Coalition
David Lupo · spoken · 2003-06-05 · support
[Re: Continuance] Carpenter's Union
Jay Bradshaw · spoken · 2003-06-05 · support
[Re: Continuance] Carpenter's Union
Hiroshi Fukuda · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Herminia Espina · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] Sixth Street Agenda
Mike DeCastro · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Rolando Carrasco · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Joyce Calagos · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] San Francisco Organizing Project
James Collins · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Aurora Grajeda · spoken · 2003-06-05 · oppose
[Re: Continuance] Mission Agenda
Myriane Zamora · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] St. Peter's Housing Committee
Rosa Cerda · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] St. Peter's Housing Committee
Bill Murphy · spoken · 2003-06-05 · oppose
[Re: Continuance] Mission Agenda
Catherine Edney · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] Sixth Street Agenda
Calvin Welch · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Ana Gutierrez · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] San Francisco Organizing Project
Allow density · spoken · 2003-06-05 · oppose
[Re: Continuance] but affordable. Rick Nichols - Mission Agenda He is in support to affordable housing as well as the Housing Element. He lives in indecent conditions and there are a lot of seniors who live that way also. He supports affordable housing. Monica Losa - Mission Agenda She works with Mission Agenda. She hopes that the Commission will concur with a lot of provisions in the Housing Element. Susan Marsh He … show more
Lois DeCastro · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Ron Miguel · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Araceli Lara · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Julius Countryman · spoken · 2003-06-05 · oppose
[Re: Continuance] Mission Agenda
Maria Souza · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Marilyn Amini · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
George Williams · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] SPUR
Susan Vaughn · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Patricia Vaughey · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Penelope Clark · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Pat Devlieg · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Ernestine Weiss · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Joe O'Donaghue · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Grace Kiely · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Richie Hart · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Archie Occhipinki · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Redmond Lyons · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Dave O'Keefe · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Miriam Munoz · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance] St. Peter's Housing Committee
Libby Benedict · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Barbara Austin · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Greg Hylton · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Beatrice Laws · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Rosalind Orcutt · spoken · 2003-06-05 · oppose
[Re: Continuance] Mission Agenda
Shawn Gorman · spoken · 2003-06-05 · —
[Re: Continuance]
2003-06-12 · 6 comments · no positions recorded
Dorcas Maureen Bender · spoken · 2003-06-12 · —
[Re: Continuance]
John Bardis · spoken · 2003-06-12 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Judy Berkowitz · spoken · 2003-06-12 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Greg Hylton · spoken · 2003-06-12 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Marilyn Amini · spoken · 2003-06-12 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Marilou Lascari · spoken · 2003-06-12 · —
[Re: Continuance]
2003-10-09 · 34 comments · 1 / 7
Rose Hinson · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Jordan Park Improvement Association
John Geordani · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Jordan Park Improvement Association
Mary Beth Starzell · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
Richmond District
Bob Starzell · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
Richmond District
Grover Wald · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
Jordan Park
Marilou Lascari · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Save Our Neighborhoods
Mark Fighera · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Francisco Heights
Cynthia Cole · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Precidio Heights Association of Neighbors
Amy McPhee · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Francisco Heights Neighborhood
San Francisco works · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
It is not broken. Policies need to be enhanced. Kathryn Hecht She is disconcerted that the Commission is basing their comments on outdated data. If this housing element is passed it will do more harm than good. Penelope Clark - Russian Hill Neighborhood Association The policies being considered do not have any policies for affordable housing or housing for large families. The push to have market rate housing at the … show more
Julie Marcus · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Francisco Heights Civic Association
Ron Lichty · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Sunset District
Rozanne Junker · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Francisco Heights Civic Association
Greg Hylton · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
Jordan Park
Lois DeCastro · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
St. Mary's Park Improvement Association
Maria Souza · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
PAR - Richmond District
Kate White · spoken · 2003-10-09 · support
Housing Action Coalition
Charlotte Maeck · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Pacific Heights
Barbara Austin · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Francisco Heights
Bob Bardell · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Golden Gate Valley Neighborhood Association
Joan Mettler · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Glen Park
Jeff Hagan · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
President of Francisco Heights Neighborhood Association
Rich Worner · spoken · 2003-10-09 · oppose
Jordan Park
Libby Benedict · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Vice President of the Francisco Heights Neighborhood Association
Judy Berkowitz · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
East Mission Improvement Association
Paula Romanousky · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Treasurer of the Francisco Heights Civic Association
Sara Lee Keropian · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Francisco Heights Neighborhood Association
Peter O'Hara · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
Cow Hollow
Steven Hinson · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
no text recorded
David Natcher · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
no text recorded
Annemarie Conroy · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
no text recorded
Brad Reed · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
no text recorded
Jeremy Paul · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
no text recorded
Paul Wermer · spoken · 2003-10-09 · —
no text recorded
2004-04-01 · 2 comments · no positions recorded
John Bardis · spoken · 2004-04-01 · —
[Re: Continuance] Inner Sunset Action Committee (Appellant)
Marilyn Amini · spoken · 2004-04-01 · —
[Re: Continuance]
2004-04-08 · 4 comments · no positions recorded
Adena Rosmarin · spoken · 2004-04-08 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Patricia Vaughey · spoken · 2004-04-08 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Beverly J. McCallister · spoken · 2004-04-08 · —
[Re: Continuance]
Greg Hylton · spoken · 2004-04-08 · —
[Re: Continuance]
2004-05-13 · 79 comments · 6 / 4
Barbara Meskunas · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
CSFN --
Patricia Vaughey · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Cow Hollow Neighbors In Action and Planning Association for Divisadero
Ramona Albright · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
CSFN, Coalition for San Francisco Neighborhoods, Inc.
Alice Piccus · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
PHRA
Patrick Phillips · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Laurel Heights Association
Rose Wilson · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Jordan Park Improvement Association
Kathryn Hecht · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Francisco Heights Civic Association
John Stewart · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Francisco Heights Civic Association
Zachary Tolson · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Francisco Heights Homeowner's Association
Rosalind Tolson · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Francisco Heights Homeowner's Association
Judy Berkowitz · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
CSFN
My Do · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
MEDA
Jeff Hagen · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
FHCA
Marty Borrego · spoken · 2004-05-13 · oppose
Mission Agenda
James Collins · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
6th Street/Mission Agenda
Sean Williams · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Mission & 6
Charlie Sciammas · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
MAC
Paul Wermer · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Pacific Heights Residents Association
Hiroshi Fukuda · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Richmond Community Association
Jim Chappell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
SPUR
Joaquin Turner · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
MEDA
Robert Bardell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
President of the Golden Gate Valley Neighborhood Association
Richard Werner · spoken · 2004-05-13 · oppose
Jordan Park Improvement Club
Adena Rosmarin · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Lakeshore Acres Improvement Club
Petree Knighton · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
St. Francis Homes Association
Joe Ventresca · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
SPEAK
John Bardis · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Inner Sunset Action Committee
Jeff Hagan · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Francisco Heights Civic Association
Barbara Austin · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Save Our Neighborhood
Luis Granados · spoken · 2004-05-13 · oppose
Mission Anti-Displacement Coalition
Jeremy Nelson · spoken · 2004-05-13 · support
Transportation for a Livable City
Susan Brandt-Hawley · spoken · 2004-05-13 · support
Representing the Appellants
Bob Bardell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Golden Valley Neighborhood Association
Kathy Devincenzi · spoken · 2004-05-13 · support
Laurel Heights Improvement Association
Joan Girardot · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Marina
Greg Scott · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Pacific Heights Residents Association
Julie Browne · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
POWER
Calvin Welch · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Council of Community Housing Organizations
Judy Junghans · spoken · 2004-05-13 · support
President of Russian Hill Neighbors
Penelope Clark · spoken · 2004-05-13 · support
Russian Hill Neighbors
Cynthia Coleman · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Presidio Heights Association of Neighbors
Francisco Centurion · spoken · 2004-05-13 · support
Design Zoning Committee of the Russian Hill Neighbors
Catherine Stefani · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Cow Hollow Association
Mary Burns · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
Greater West Portal Neighborhood Association
Over time · spoken · 2004-05-13 · oppose
this will cause developers to outbid families thereby increasing density. Developers will be building condominiums, etc. Eileen Bolken She would have preferred more time to read the amendments. She is reluctantly requesting approval of the Housing Element with the amendments. Ellen Pound She requested the approval of the Housing Element without Director's Badiner's amendments. Ellis McDonald He is an honor… show more
Ramona Albright · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Marilyn Amini · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Libby Benedict · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Julie Marcus · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Rel Woodard · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Joseph Shipman · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Calvin Welch · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
John Bardis · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Greg Scott · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Richard Werner · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Barbara Austin · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Rocky Papale · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Gloria Williams · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Luis Granados · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
John Resinos · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Dick Millet · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Jennifer Chou-Green · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Eileen Boken · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Bob Starzell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Mary Beth Starzell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Kate White · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Bernie Choden · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Patricia Vaughey · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Emeric Kalman · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Elise Ravel · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Sherry Laporte · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Hiroshi Fukuda · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Jim Chappell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
no text recorded
Babette Drefke · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Serena Bardell · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Beverly McCallister · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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David Bisho · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Paul Wermer · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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Ben Cheatham · spoken · 2004-05-13 · —
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